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Episode 54: The Halfway House<\/strong><\/p><\/h3><\/div>

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When people hear about a house being haunted or of someone experiencing a haunted house. Most people react with fear or curiosity tinged with fear. Or, they don\u2019t want anything to do with the subject, some because of religious beliefs, some because they fear it will follow them to their home. Or they dismiss it as not being possible, it doesn\u2019t fit into their world viewpoint, their religious beliefs or whatever reason. It\u2019s rare that you find someone who actually accepts that fact their home is haunted and isn\u2019t scared by that \u2013 even though others around them may be.<\/p>\n

My guest today is one such person.\u00a0 A Danish born woman, living in the United States, who at the time these incidents started was a single parent with a six-month-old son.\u00a0 She lived in this particular home for a period of six years. Kirsten came to my attention when I was on a Facebook group and she was sharing one of the experiences from her home with the group. I found the experience she shared to be really interesting and a tad funny \u2013 it involved her father who was a sceptic and she shares this experience later in the episode. So I contacted her and asked if she would be interested in sharing some of the experiences from her time in that house with you all.\u00a0 To my delight she agreed and this episode is the result. So with that preamble, are you all willing to walk with me into this part of the shadowlands and see what awaits us there? Then let\u2019s begin!<\/p>\n

Before we do begin this week\u2019s episode though a little house keeping. This is the last episode in this current season. I will be taking a 4 week break. But actually it won\u2019t really be a break, because I am working really hard on getting new episodes lined up for you. New interviews with very interesting people, as soon as we start back. But for that two-episode duration, I will replay my current top two episodes. One is consistently the top episode, the other one, has recently shot up to join it and was from my very first season on air. Now onto today\u2019s topic<\/p>\n

This episode is a little different to most I have done. Don\u2019t expect though to have these experiences all tied up neatly and ended off for you though \u2013 Kirsten and I talked a great deal off air, actually we talked for around two and a half hours in total, half of that was not recorded. She wanted to leave the episode like this as she is currently turning her experiences into a book trilogy. However, her experiences are interesting enough that I felt you all would be ok with that. Her story begins when she was searching for a home.<\/p>\n

The Halfway House<\/strong><\/h3>\n

Kirsten:<\/strong> I wanted to buy a house for my son and I. My son, he was about six months old and I had a little bit of money that was going to be released, that I could use to whatever\u2026. And, at that time my Dad said, \u201cWhy don\u2019t you buy a house?\u201d And I said, oh that might be a good idea. So what I did was, I saw an ad because he was like ok what about this? what about that? And ah, when I saw this house there was just something about it that said, this is mine. <\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

And I, I said to my Dad, because, my Dad was living nearby\u2026. I found my house! He said, \u201cWe haven\u2019t even been out looking yet!\u201d I said I know. I\u2019ve found my house. He said, \u201cWhat do you mean, we\u2019ve going to look at a couple.\u201d I said no, we\u2019re only going to look at one and he said,\u201d No! we\u2019re going to look at a couple.\u201d<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/em>I\u2019m twenty years old and yes, twenty years old and he said we\u2019re gonna look at least a couple. I said ok. He said, \u201cYou pick two and I\u2019ll pick two.\u201d And I said to him ok. So he picked two and he said, \u201cWhich one do you want to start with?\u201d And I said, the one we\u2019re gonna end with.\u00a0 And he said, \u201cNo. We\u2019re going to start with another one.\u201d And then we went to the two homes that he had picked and when he walked in, he\u2019s like\u2026. He looked at me and he said, \u201cThis is not your home.\u201d I said no, I know. I know which one it is. You know, he has not seen the ad at all. So eventually after looking at the two houses that he picked, he said, \u201cOk. I give up. I know you have only picked one house instead of two, like I asked you for.\u201d And I said, yes I have. <\/em><\/span>So we walked down the street and I said, now we\u2019re gonna go ahead and turn around a corner and when we get in, it\u2019s like a\u2026. what can I say? You go into it and then there\u2019s a circle with about fifteen houses or so in that circle.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

Marianne:<\/strong> Oh a cul-de-sac!<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/em>Yes. Like a cul-de-sac. And I said to him, which one is it? Before we walked into the cul-de-sac. I said to him, why don\u2019t you pick my house? You\u2019ve got so many to choose from. Why don\u2019t you pick one of the houses there? He could pick any one of them. Any one of them there, he could pick. He walked first, just a few steps ahead. He walked into the cul-de-sac and looked around. There\u2019s no ad. There\u2019s no sign which house it is, and he turned around, he says; \u201cI\u2019ve found your home!\u201d I said are you sure?<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

He said,\u201d Yes, there\u2019s this huge giant sign on the house that says your name. I don\u2019t know how you did it, but that\u2019s the feeling I get. You know it\u2019s like in neon lights; it\u2019s just standing there flashing\u201d I start laughing at him \u2013 oh you feel so? He said, \u201cThat\u2019s too big for you.\u201d I said no, it\u2019s not too big. I\u2019m not going to be alone in it. He said \u201cWho\u2019s going to be in there?\u201d My son. \u201cNo,\u201d he says, \u201cIt\u2019s too big for him too.\u201d And I said no it\u2019s perfect. So we met up with the realtor and we walked through the house and this house was the worst of the worst, you know?\u00a0Basically the realtor\u2026. It has a very, very odd smell, of puke, old beer. Food that was moulded and it was really dirty inside. Like, disgusting dirty! And we walk into the living room and over in the corner, there\u2019s like a pile\u2026. A pile of clothes. Old clothes and you can smell like that\u2026. It\u2019s like it\u2019s never been washed and kind of like a really nasty smell.\u00a0 And my Dad looks at me, \u2018cause, he looked out into the back yard and says, \u201cOh my God!\u201d you know? Because, the grass is about a meter high. You know, that\u2019s about three feet so\u2026. \u00a0He\u2019s like God I\u2019m going to be busy. I said no, no. He said, \u201cYeah, because I\u2019m know I\u2019m going to be doing the backyard.\u201d<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

So the relator walks over and he says, \u201cWell, you know if you can look away from all the, the\u2026.\u201d And then he goes over and kicks that and of course, all the dirty clothes are in the corner. He goes over to kick in the clothes and it moves! And he goes ohhh ahhh ! I start laughing and a man wakes up. Drunk like a skunk. And the realtor says, \u201cAre you sure you want this house?\u201d Yes! It\u2019s mine! And, I turned to the man and I said are there more sleeping in this house. He\u2019s like, \u201cWho are you?\u201d I said, I\u2019m the new owner. He said, \u201cOk. I\u2019m gonna go ahead and sleep on that. Good night.\u201d So he basically just pulled all the clothes on top of him to cut off the sunlight and went back to sleep. I said to the realtor, and I said, \u201cNext time you try to kick something, make sure there\u2019s nothing underneath.\u201d<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

Oh wow. You were pretty composed.<\/p>\n

Oh yes. I thought it was so funny. But, later on I found out who the owner was, that was where the whole commotion began. So I brought the house. He was a pusher, a drug dealer. A part of the gang. A part of the beat-up gang, ah AK, I think it was AK45? Part of one of those \u2013 sub gangs. Ah I think the Banditos or so.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/em>We on the way home we talked about it and and he said are you sure? I said no, that\u2019s my house, I said. Within two weeks I walked into my house and I knew it was going to be really, really bad. I basically went to the bank and said, oh I\u2019ve got so many bedrooms, that I can just rent it out. So that\u2019s basically how I got the loan on the house. It was because I had nine bedrooms in that house, so I can rent it out, you know?<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/em><\/span>When Kel moved in, you know he moved in more or less the same day as my son and I did. He stayed downstairs and I, we stayed upstairs. And when everyone had left, helping out cleaning up right? So it was at least sanitizing to live there right? He has not moved out his stuff yet, so we really couldn\u2019t move my things in at that point. Other than a few things that we could set up in a corner and so forth, so it was really a commotion. But Kel, he moved in downstairs and I started preparing the house for protection. And I do that with blue colour on the doorframe outside, and then I make a little prayer and put salt on the doorsteps. And I did that for all the entrances. We had three entrances. One downstairs and then two upstairs, and I did that.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

Well, a couple of days later when Kel moved in, because, I didn\u2019t hear anything. One of the things he came up and said, \u201cDid you guys? Are you guys messing with me?\u201d I didn\u2019t know him prior to that, but we talked every afternoon. He came for a cup of coffee and just to get us settled in and so forth, so we didn\u2019t feel all alone in the house. He said, \u201cDid you, did you mess? Are you messing with me?\u201d \u00a0And I said, what do you mean? \u00a0\u201cWell, I hear the door going downstairs.\u201d I said ok, and? \u201cWell, the problem is the door is locked.\u201d You know, I was like, ok whatever? It\u2019s natural you know, you\u2019ve got noises and so forth. So in the first part I just thought it was him hearing, you know, things. So, he disregarded it.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Well a couple of days later he came storming up the stairs, \u201cI, I don\u2019t know if I like to stay here!\u201d It\u2019s been about three weeks he\u2019s living there. I said what are you meaning by that? \u201cSomething weird happened and you probably won\u2019t believe me.\u201d\u00a0 <\/em><\/span>And I said trust me, I\u2019ve seen everything. Spill your beans, spill your beans.\u00a0 Well he said, \u201cIn the evening when I\u2019m sitting watching TV\u201d, he had it on low, one of the things he would hear was his door go. It\u2019s a glass door. So, you could hear the glass in the door and then you could hear it, like there was someone closing it. Well, he knew it was locked. The only one that has the key was me and him, because, we changed the key.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/em>So he thought in the beginning again, it was me messing with him, until he started hearing over on the wall (knocks on table). Basically someone was knocking on the wall, all the way down. So basically all the way down the hallway was someone knocking on the door\u2026. On the wall. Why is there knock, knock, knock, knock, you know? He\u2019s like who\u2019s that? You know? And then eventually what happened was that the next part that happened, because he just disregarded like I told him \u2013 just disregard the noises. It\u2019s just noises right?<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/em>All of a sudden he started hearing the handle. And the handle is not a round one, but a long \u2013 yes exactly a regular handle, I call it. But, it\u2019s the older one and plastic. So what you hear is that eeee (squeaking noise), you know, because it needed the WD40. We didn\u2019t get that far, but you can hear that, you know, squeeking noise. And then it go flick be de bup bup! You know that flick noise like someone is letting go. And he hear it in the first two doors, that is next to the front door. His front door. It is like someone holding the handle down and then letting go, but, not opening the door. You know? Just that. And then he hears a knock over the walls.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

And I\u2019m going oh, you\u2019re having fun, and he says, \u201cWhat is it? What is it?\u201d Well, I don\u2019t want to scare you and he says \u201cWhat is it?\u201d <\/em>No, no, no, no. I\u2019m only going to tell you if you promise to stay. He said, \u201cWell, If I know what I\u2019m going to deal with, then I might.\u201d <\/em>Yes, a ghost. \u201cI\u2019m leaving!\u201d So he said, \u201cI\u2019m scared now, I\u2019m going to leave.\u201d I said, no you promised me. And I said, second, they can\u2019t do anything. They\u2019re not harmful you know? If the only thing they do is knock on the wall, that\u2019s it. So what?<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

And of course it continued, just that. And of course if we were down stairs, eventually when we got all cleaned up and the previous owner he could not get the pool table out of there, so he left it. I brought it from him. So when we walked down to play at the pool, what happens was, you could hear the door upstairs go. And you could hear the door downstairs go, because, you had the\u2026. Mine was a big wooden door and downstairs was a glass door. But you could hear them, even though they were closed. <\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

And what happens was I tell my Dad, because one evening we were sitting there, he was there too. Because, my Dad came by a lot, because, he was living close and he and my son was having a great relationship. One evening we were sitting talking, I think we were six, seven people, plus me. And then, of course, my father. And he walks in and said, \u201cWhat are you talking about? Ghosts?\u201d and he said, \u201cI don\u2019t believe in that!\u201d \u00a0I just said, well you know what? I think it\u2019s funny because you can actually hear them downstairs.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

Whenever we\u2019re up here, or when Kell was sitting in his living room. Because, he had two rooms. A bedroom and a living room together, and he could hear them playing ball. There was nothing and no one else there! You can just hear the\u2026. How the cue hit the balls and the ball hit each other, you know? And the ball hit the pens. That was one of the things we thought was so funny. So, my Dad\u2019s like, \u201cNo I don\u2019t believe in that!\u201d<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

I left it alone, because, I didn\u2019t want to deal with it, you know? It\u2019s like, I didn\u2019t want to convince him. I stopped convincing people for a very long time and why? If he didn\u2019t believe in it, he didn\u2019t believe in it. That\u2019s fine. \u00a0At this point I think my son is –\u00a0 well, he\u2019s not two years old yet when that happened. And what happens is one evening everyone is out. After Kell, I had two more renters coming in. They all was scared to death of these\u2026 Because, they all heard it.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

You know, Kell when he moved in, he didn\u2019t believe\u2026.\u00a0 He didn\u2019t believe there was something called ghosts. He got openly convinced, the other two did too. Eventually they did, because, they were like what is this noise? Why is someone\u2026. One of the guys one evening could see how the handle on his door, ah moving downwards, when there was no one on site. He could really see how it\u2019s moving and he could really hear it pressed, you know like tapping, with the fingernails on the door. He could hear that and I thought that was so funny.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

But one evening, I thought ok, I\u2019ve got to try to convince my Dad about this, you know? See how he really feels about it? One evening I called him. It was kind of like late and when I called him I said, are you coming over for a cup of coffee? And he said, \u201cNo. I already gone to bed!\u201d I said, I need you to come over here for a cup of coffee. He said, \u201cIs it that important?\u201d and I said oh yes, it is! And so he said, \u201cOk. I\u2019ll be on my way.\u201d<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

So he came over. I sat in the sofa and he sat in the chair. The sofa is up towards the wall, it was towards the kitchen and he was sitting counter. So basically the chair was actually sitting\u2026. So if we moved the chair maybe five centimeters, what to and that would be to the left, he could see straight down the hall way. But the door was closed and he one of the things he said\u2026. \u201cSo what is it? Why was this so important you want me over here?\u201d while we\u2019re sitting drinking coffee. I said, just settle down. Just wait. And he said, \u201cWait for what? Is it Nick?\u201d You know, my son, and I said no. No, no, no, no. It\u2019s not. \u201cIs he sleep walking?\u201d I said no, no, no, no, it\u2019s not that. And he took another sip of his coffee.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

And, all of a sudden he could hear the cues and he call hear the balls, and he could hear the pens. And he goes very quiet. He looks at me and goes \u201cWho\u2019s downstairs playing pool? I thought everyone was at work?\u201d \u00a0Because, they were doing evening work. And I said, no one. \u00a0\u201cDon\u2019t lie to me! Don\u2019t lie to me young lady! You know perfectly well someone is down there. I can hear it!\u201d \u00a0I said, oh you can? \u00a0I started laughing. I couldn\u2019t stop laughing, \u2018cause, I was like\u2026. He was, \u201cWhat are you laughing at Mia?\u201d<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

I said, well go down and have a game of pool. He said, \u201cAre you pulling me over here for a game of pool?\u201d \u00a0I said, why not? You know, a cold beer and a game of pool, it doesn\u2019t matter what time it is, it\u2019s always good. And he said, \u201cBut yeah, I\u2019m drinking coffee.\u201d I said, yeah well you can bring the coffee down. \u201cNah, I\u2019ll leave it up here, but I\u2019ll go down and see who\u2019s there.\u201d<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

So he walks downstairs and turns on the light, you know of course to get downstairs, everything\u2019s dark. And he walks in and there\u2019s like a tiny hallway to the pool room. Everything is completely dark. So he turns on the light. And, I can hear it switch, \u2018cause, it\u2019s very\u2026. \u00a0You know you can hear it with the old switches, click, click, you know? And I could hear him turning it on and I could hear him turning it off. I could hear him coming up the wooden stairs again. And he comes into the living room and says, \u201cBut, there is no one down there?\u201d I said are you sure? He said, \u201cYou messing with me? You guys are messing with me?\u201d I said no, we\u2019re not. What did you hear? \u201cI hear someone playing pool and I can even hear the bottles, but I don\u2019t see any beer bottles down there!\u201d<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

He sat down again and within a short time they started playing pool again. He said, \u201cWhere are they? You know there was no one in the room.\u201d I said did you check all the other rooms? He said, \u201cNo, I can\u2019t do that, the guys live there.\u201d I said, you know perfectly well you can come and go in their rooms as you please. You know you can go down and check. So he stormed down the stairs again to check. You know, he checked all the rooms. There was no one down there. So he comes up again and this time he\u2019s clueless, but he\u2019s also angry, because, he feels like someone is teasing him. You know, really, really teasing him and he doesn\u2019t know what it is.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

You\u2019ve got to think like this. He has no clue what a ghost is and he doesn\u2019t want to believe in it. You know? He doesn\u2019t trust it; he doesn\u2019t believe it\u2019s true. So when he sat down again and he\u2019s like, \u201cWhat is this? What\u2019s going on? Who is? Where are they hiding?\u201d I said are they hiding anywhere? Did you see anyone? And I said no, there\u2019s no one down there. \u201cSo what is this? I hear beer going. I can hear the beers. I can hear how they\u2019re cheering. I can hear how they\u2019re playing the pool. But when I come down there, there\u2019s no one?\u201d<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

I said, just wait. Just wait for a little bit. Just sip a little bit more coffee and you know, I\u2019m sorry about the beer. But, you drink your coffee instead. \u201cSo what now?\u201d Oh just wait, just wait. He says, \u201cIs there anything next?\u201d I said oh yeah and I started laughing, because, I knew what was coming. Within five minutes you could hear dishes out in the kitchen being cleaned up, like they were being taken out of the dishwasher. At this time, he was like, \u201cWho\u2019s out in your kitchen?\u201d I said, no one. He said, \u201cOh no, no, no! I can hear it. I can hear they\u2019re taking dishes out of the dishwasher and putting them up in the cabinet.\u201d<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

The cabinet, the upper cabinet was up on the wall into the living room, where we were sitting. So, you could hear how the dishes was being put into a stack of dishes. And he\u2019s like, \u201cWho\u2019s doing the dishes?\u201d And I said no one, I don\u2019t have any dirty dishes. He said, \u201cYeah, you do.\u201d I said no I don\u2019t, he says, \u201cSo who\u2019s out there?\u201d\u00a0 Go out and look. He says, \u201cNo. Just tell me.\u201d I said no, go out and look. It\u2019s really important for me that you go out and look. So he does. He go out and look, and he comes back in and says, \u201cThere\u2019s no one in there.\u201d And he\u2019s mad, he\u2019s mad. I said did you look everywhere? \u00a0He said, \u201cYes. Even in the broom closet. But there\u2019s only room for you and Nick.\u201d<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

All the other guys that were living downstairs was living downstairs was too big for the broom closet, so he\u2019s like, \u201cWho else could it be?\u201d Well, where are they hiding? \u00a0\u201cIs it Nick?\u201d He comes up with that one again.\u00a0 I said no, did you check? \u201cNo,\u201d he\u2019s asleep, \u201cI can\u2019t understand it? \u201cI said I\u2019ll do you a favour. I\u2019m going to open the door out to the hallway and you know perfectly well right now, that there\u2019s no one in the kitchen. And he said, \u201cYes.\u201d<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

I opened the door out to the hallway so he could see the whole hallway. I pulled his chair those five centimeters, one and a half inches and I said, now sit down here and see if anyone comes and goes into the kitchen. You wait. Within a short time, the noise comes up again. And you can hear people talking out there, and doing the dishes, and putting them up in the cabinet and he says: \u201cNo one walked into the kitchen! And I know there\u2019s no one there! But who is this?\u201d Oh, that\u2019s my ghost. His facial expression was priceless! Because, that was the first time he realized what a ghost actually was and he says\u2026. That was his first apparition, but not his last one.\u00a0 So after a little while you could see him tasting on the word ghost. He says, \u201cWell, at least they\u2019re nice. They\u2019re doing your dishes.\u201d And later on, we finished the conversation, because, we talked about the noises that was in the house. <\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Then in the end whenever he heard something in the house forward, he said, \u201cDid you remember to close and lock the door upstairs?\u201d When we were going downstairs we could hear the door and someone walking up the hallway. I said yeah we did, and he said,\u201d Oh, that\u2019s just one<\/strong> of those!\u201d And if we\u2019re upstairs and you hear the door go downstairs, he would ask, \u201cAre they not out working?\u201d I said yeah. \u201cDid you not lock the door?\u201d I said yeah, it\u2019s locked from inside. \u201cOh. It\u2019s just one<\/strong> of those!\u201d I said yes it is.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

I believe, yeah, my son turned two at that time. And my father, he was over one evening, where he had to tuck him in and say goodnight. And after that he went in and just sat with a cup of coffee and then we talked out in the kitchen. You know, basically there was like four big windows. So what it was, that in the evening when you turned on the light you can see the reflection of the hallway in the window, and what happens was\u2026. That I\u2019d seen him before. It turned me around the first time. I did the same thing, when I saw it, when I saw this apparition. \u2018Cause, I had got used to it, but I forgot my Dad did not.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

And one evening we were standing talking and I see this little shadow running in the hallway, but it\u2019s through the window, but it looks like black shadow \u2013 right? And, instead of just a figure right, and he said, \u201cI just put him to sleep. I just tucked him in.\u201d<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

And so he storms out in the hallway and he sees this little thing, little shadow running by. I knew who it was, but I didn\u2019t know any name at that time. So, basically see this little shadow. My Dad runs after this little shadow, out in the hallway, towards the living room.\u00a0 As soon as he gets into the living room, there\u2019s no one there! So he walks in. He walks into my son\u2019s bedroom and sees my son\u2019s fast asleep. He becomes very confused and says, \u201cDid you see Nick run by?\u201d I said no I didn\u2019t. \u201cBut, did you see something run by?\u201d And I said, yes I did. \u201cWhat is that?\u201d I said, do you really want to know? \u00a0\u201cYes. Yes. Yes!\u201d and he shook his head and he said yes, \u00a0then he nodded and said \u201cNot really.\u201d You know, because, he knew what it was.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

Funny!<\/p>\n

Ah yes, I had so much fun with my Dad, so all of a sudden both of the lights out in the kitchen start flashing. And then what happens was that there was a light out in the street that\u2026. Like a street light. Not the main street like, but a street light that belongs to the house. Right? It starts flashing and then it goes in and the hallway light out in the upper first part of the hallway starts flashing and he says, \u201cAnd what is that? Ok just give me that cup of coffee. Just give me that cup of coffee.\u201d Well, you know, what I said it is, we have a little boy moving in and he said, \u201c No way! Who is that?\u201d I said why don\u2019t you ask Nick in the morning? He said, \u201cYou know I don\u2019t dare. Can he see him too?\u201d I said oh yes, they sit and talk all the time. <\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

A few weeks prior to this I heard my son, running backward and forward in the hallway, laughing and giggling and having a blast. I walk out there and I can see he\u2019s being chased by someone. But he\u2019s having a lot of fun! It\u2019s like he\u2019s running and playing with someone. And, I said to him, is anyone here? And he said, \u201cYeah. We\u2019re having fun.\u201d And that was basically it. He didn\u2019t wanna share anything else with me and he was two years old at that time, and I\u2019m like oh ok, fine. And I don\u2019t want to scare him, and I don\u2019t wanna see any fears about it, you know? As long as he has fun and that was basically it.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

One day, and this is how I actually got to meet this little boy. One day he was sitting in his high chair, we were eating and he took his spoon and then he turned around and said, \u201cHere you go! Here\u2019s your food!\u201d And he would turn the spoon like someone has opened their mouth and then he\u2019d put the food on the floor, of course. I said what are you doing, \u201c, He\u2019s asking for food\u201d I said, have you seen the mess you guys are making down there on the floor? And he turned to the little boy and said, \u201cYou\u2019re supposed to eat your food!\u201d\u00a0 I said does your little boy have a name? And he says, \u201cYes. His name is Charlie. He used to be one of your children.\u201d I go what!?! Try that again, what? \u201cOh yes, yes. He remembers you from when you were very\u2026. You know that\u2019s long, long time ago.\u201d That was basically, he didn\u2019t want any\u2026. That was the entry on that one.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

I started seeing Charlie, at least the first part was his shadow.\u00a0 But then, he really started showing to me because I said to him. If you\u2019re going to be in my house, I need to see you. I need to make sure that you\u2019re ok and you\u2019re ok around my boy, else you can\u2019t stay and I have to, I gotta force you to leave! So he starts showing up. One of the things\u2026. The way he showed up was whenever my son was sleeping, I was downstairs playing \u2013 I think it was Nintendo back then? You know, that was a long time ago. \u00a0And all off a sudden he would stand in the doorway, and that\u2019s how I started seeing him.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

Well, Kell could not see him in the beginning and basically what happens was that when I started seeing him, I said Charlie come on in. It\u2019s ok, it\u2019s ok to come in, and Kell says, \u201cWell who\u2019s here now?\u201d I said oh, you don\u2019t wanna know. He said, \u201cIs he dangerous?\u201d I said no, he\u2019s a little boy. \u201cA little boy?\u201d\u00a0 Kell says\u201d Are you sure?\u201d and I said yes, he\u2019s very curious about what you are doing. He doesn\u2019t know what it is, but he thinks it\u2019s funny. So what happens was that eventually, there is some times where he was always there, when we were sitting down there. And of course, when Nick and I was out of town, all of a sudden Kell could start seeing him. And he would sit on the floor. And in the beginning he (Kell) was like very, very antsy, because it was new to him too. Just like my Dad, but he was scared. He was terrified about this.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

Eventually you know, Charlie, he got so settle with Charlie. That Charlie was able to sit right next to him, on the floor, just watching what Kell was doing. And then, whenever I got home, the first time. Kell came over and said, \u201cDo you know what? Do you know what?\u201d I said what? \u201cHe came and sat on the floor last night while I was playing games.\u201d Who? \u201cCharlie!\u201d you know.\u00a0 So at that point it was like\u2026. It was like he started having a conversation with Charlie, just telling him what he was doing. But he could never hear the response, he couldn\u2019t hear what Charlie was saying. Just a facial (movement), and I thought that was really, really interesting. You know? That he was able to get that far with Charlie.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

They had developed a bit of a relationship.<\/p>\n

They were developing a relationship. Yes, absolutely.\u00a0<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

When you moved into this house, your obviously not scared of spirit, they don\u2019t scare you, so you\u2019ve obviously had experiences your entire life, I would say, and you approach them with a great sense of humour.\u00a0 Yep. Medium, most likely.\u00a0 Someone who sees spirits and has experiences with them is usually a medium. Especially, if you see them on a regular basis. Like you have.<\/p>\n

I\u2019ve been seeing all of this since I was two. There\u2019s nothing to be scared of. I don\u2019t see anything to be scared of. You know?<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

Right. So, did you know right away, when you moved into your house, that you had spirit in your home?<\/p>\n

Not in the beginning, but I, when I look back on it, yes absolutely. But not when I walked in there. I didn\u2019t know there was any, but I knew the house had picked me and not the other way around.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Now, that\u2019s interesting.<\/p>\n

Yes, it was. I knew that this was\u2026. You know, like I said. This was every day.\u00a0 We heard something. You know, knocking on the walls. Opening the doors. Closing the doors, you know. Everything. It was, it was always noisy in that house.\u00a0 <\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Like I said, it was almost everyday. Charlie became a part of the house. You know? Basically part of the family. We were all of a sudden, two kids, a Mom. And then one day my son says, \u201cMom?\u201d I said yeah. He said, \u201cIs it ok if we get another child?\u201d And I go, another child? Single Mom, that\u2019s gonna take a while, you know.\u00a0 He said, \u201cNo. No, no, no, no. Charlie is bringing his sister.\u201d I go what!?! So I said yeah that\u2019s fine, so long as she\u2019s a sweet girl and everything.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

So, all of a sudden, what happens is that one day when we were going up the stairs, you know, from downstairs. I had my son in my hand you know, ah, in my arm. \u00a0And I stopped mid-stairs and my son turns around and he says, \u201cOh that\u2019s Sophie!\u201d\u00a0 <\/em><\/span>I could see her, but she was between floors! I could see her, just like I could see other stuff, right. So, that was basically it and in the morning I felt like I had three kids running around in the hall upstairs. That was so crazy and of course, you know, the more people that came, the more we got to talk about it.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

And I remember one time we had the door standing open out to the patio and we were sitting talking about this. And one of the guys he say,\u201c Have you ever considered inviting some medium in?\u201d I said don\u2019t you dare!\u00a0 This is my upstairs, what you do downstairs, I don\u2019t care. But this is mine.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/em>The patio door had been [open] all evening, because, it was a little bit warm at that time.\u00a0 No wind or anything. Normally in the weekend we were about twelve \u2013 fifteen people in the evening. Yes, we were always\u2026. Everyone was curious about this. So in the daily part we was probably about five to seven people, always someone there. But what happens was, that evening he said, \u201cWhat are you going to do if someone is standing outside?\u201d I said\u2026. I turned around looked over to the door. Hey, if anyone\u2019s outside and wants to come in, just open the door. And, I turned around again. And the door eeeeeeee (Squeeks), you know? They jumped! Oh my gosh! He said, \u201cIt\u2019s time for me to go home!\u201d I said, you asked!<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

I already knew someone had come in, because, I could feel it. And the guy that was sitting right next to me, he knew too. He looked at me, he could feel someone was there. He said, \u201cIm not sure.\u201d Because, they got a wee bit eerie about what has happened. I said ok, what do you want me to do? Tell them to close the door? He said, \u201cNo thanks, I\u2019d rather not.\u201d\u00a0 I walked up and put it on just a crack [open] again and I said, are you sure?\u00a0 And he said, \u201cNow that we\u2019ve seen they can open the door they can close it completely.\u201d And the door closed. He said, \u201cIt\u2019s time for me to go home now.\u201d And the guy who was sitting next to me said, \u201cI can\u2019t see who is here. But, I can sense someone is here.\u201d How can you sense it? \u201cBecause someone is overly protective towards you, and he\u2019s asking me to move.\u201d I said you\u2019d better move. If he\u2019s telling you to move, someone is here to protect me.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

When I was over there last time, I don\u2019t feel anything anymore over there, because, I haven\u2019t been living there for a long time. It was very amazing the way that things were moving in this house and like I said, it\u2019s every day. And of course, with my Dad too. My Dad in the end got used to all the activity in the house. He understood what was going on. He was more surprised than anything else, more than he wanted to know. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

But I want to save the good story, the really bad one, I want to share a little bit of it, but I don\u2019t want to share the whole thing. I want it to be a teaser if that\u2019s ok?<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

When\u2019s your book coming out?<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/em>Yeah, I actually got two. One of Kel\u2019s friends\u2026. One evening, one of the first winters\u2026. Basically what happens was that one of the first renters that come in\u2026. \u2018cause everyone that come through this house of renters, was either alcoholic or drug abusers. But, they all turned good after a month or so, because, that was the option they had. Well, one of the guys that come into the house, one of Kel\u2019s friends. He didn\u2019t believe in this and what happened was one time when I was out of town\u2026. I always had this sense of feeling whenever I came into the house something is off, right? Whenever I came back, I felt the house was cold. And the house was empty, empty of ghosts, you know? What keeps the house alive. The breathing, the emotions, in the house was gone! It was really, really, oddly cold.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/em>And, when I walked in, I was going to be fine, because I had my protection in the upper part, also because I had my son, you know. What scares me the most, was not what they had done, but what scares me the most was they didn\u2019t consider what was in the house when they did it. So what happens was that his friend had brought over a Ouija board. And he said, \u201cWell, I believe that she has a portal in this house.\u201d \u2018Cause, there was too much activity and too many people were able to jump in and out. And everything was too active in the house. And it was too good of a ghost that was in there. There was no bad ghost. At least not that I saw. You know, they were all protective. So for me, when I walked in there, all my good ghosts was gone!<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

And Kel came up to me and says he was going to leave. I said no, you can\u2019t do that! He said, \u201cYes, I\u2019m giving you my one-month notice.\u201d I said no, you gonna tell me what you brought into my home. And he said,\u201d Nothing.\u201d I said don\u2019t lie to me. He said to me, \u201cHow do you know?\u201d I said don\u2019t ask me that question either, he said ok. I said I\u2019m gonna make some coffee and take a deep breath and tell me what\u2019s going on. And he did. <\/em>He basically said, his friend came over and they were four people, a Ouija board and he could feel that something was let go out of the house. And how he felt it, and this is where I kind of want to kind of like stop that part is, like one evening while I was gone. I think I was maybe visiting my Mom. We were at least out of the house at that time. I think we were out for three weeks or so. <\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

One evening he was doing a sketch and he was sitting with one candle light, watching it. There was no air moving in the room. He was sitting in the second room. The windows were locked; the door was open. There was no windows on the outside, just the door to the, out to the hallway. And all of a sudden he saw the candle instead of standing, you know, \u00a0just a little bit moving backwards and forwards, all of a sudden it stopped moving. It stopped moving, and he going \u201cWho\u2019s here?\u201d And he\u2019s used to that. I told him bring them forward, if there\u2019s someone there, you gotta ask. You\u2019ve got to ask them who they are. You know, and you\u2019ve got to say so yourself, else get out! And he said, \u201cWho\u2019s there?\u201d No one answered, but he said, \u201cI had this really, really bad feeling.\u201d<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

And then he said, \u201cAll of a sudden, the lit part of the candle, it start turning. So the first part of it was\u2026. And then it bent in a ninety degree. So it\u2019s not the candle in itself, but the wick that was lit. It made basically half of the wick was turned at a ninety degree. Then, it turned ice cold!\u00a0 Really, really, demeaning, evil. He could feel it in his core. You know? Ice cold. He could start seeing his breath. Right? Like he was ice, ice cold, could see his own breath. Then he said, \u201cWhoever you are, get the hell out of my room!\u201d\u00a0<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

But the door was standing up off the wall. So you can\u2019t just slam the door. Basically you\u2019ve got to hold onto that door. But, when he yelled that, someone slammed that door right shut. Bam! He got up, then he turned on the light and then he closed the door. And when he told me that the only thing I had as a response was, and you don\u2019t think they don\u2019t walk through a closed – locked door? \u201cI don\u2019t know. I hurried up and got under my covers and tried to go to sleep. I didn\u2019t know what it was and I want to get out of here.\u201d<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Interesting, Right. So, perhaps in order to close off this episode for the listeners so they don\u2019t feel like\u2026. Because, people like to have some sort of closure to an episode. Yeah, so perhaps you could tell us how long you continued to live at that house? And did you ever find out who that male spirit was that you initially saw?<\/p>\n

I, I actually figured out who that was, and I figured out who it was that was playing the pool and who was doing the dishes. I was able to track that back and of course like I said, a lot more happens in the house, including\u2026<\/em><\/span>
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So how long did you stay in the house for and why did you ultimately leave?<\/p>\n

We stayed in the house about six years, yeah, about six years until we moved over here permanently. And the reason why we moved back then, was basically, he was able to read and write whenever he was two. He was sitting on a computer when he was two and there was no schooling options back then that was able to sustain that, so that whenever he was six years old I ended up getting a therapist. I was so frustrated, because, I needed to give him more than I could give him where I was. And what happens was, as a six-year-old he started first grade. But I had to do it from home, because, he was too young to go into first grade over here. So we had a school therapist on him.\u00a0 And that was basically one of the reasons we wanted to leave, \u2018cause, I wanted to give him something better. I don\u2019t know if I\u2019d go down and tell a social worker we had ghosts running around in our house, I\u2019d think she was going to think I was crazy, you know?<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Yeah. No, I\u2019d leave that out too. So that was the reason you left your home. And I guess it must have been a bit of a wrench for you to leave the place you loved? On a level, but on another level, when you\u2019re doing something for your child it\u2019s not a wrench at all is it?<\/p>\n

Exactly. And I feel like I also kept this world open for him. And when he became a teenager he started closing down that world. And I hope that one day he\u2019ll be able to open it again, be\u2026. And, I\u2019m surprised at how strong he is, but he\u2019s not seeing the things he used to see. \u00a0<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Thank you very much for your time today Kristen, you\u2019ve shared some really, really interesting experiences I\u2019ve really enjoyed talking to you and my listeners will have enjoyed this as well. So thank you for your time<\/p>\n

Thank you, yes.<\/span> <\/em><\/p>\n

I want to thank my guest Kristen (pronounced Christine) for sharing her experiences with us. What I found most interesting about Kristen was the way that she approached this all, with a great sense of humour and without fear. As she said to me off air, and I\u2019m paraphrasing her words here:<\/p>\n

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\u201cIt\u2019s actually more worrying to consider someone breaking into my home, jumping my fence, than be concerned about ghosts\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

I totally agree with that sentiment. And I loved her sense of humour and the wonderful relationship she and her Dad had. Delightful to listen to. Thank you so much Kristen.<\/p>\n<\/div>

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I want to thank my guest Kristen (pronounced Christine) for sharing her experiences with us. What I found most interesting about Kristen was the way that she approached this all, with a great sense of humour and without fear. As she said to me off air, and I\u2019m paraphrasing her words here: \u201cIt\u2019s actually more worrying to consider someone breaking into my home, jumping my fence, than be concerned about ghosts\u201d I totally agree with that sentiment. And I loved her sense of humour and the wonderful relationship she and her Dad had. Delightful to listen to. Thank you so much Kristen.<\/p>\n

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