{"id":1666,"date":"2021-10-01T10:13:11","date_gmt":"2021-10-01T10:13:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.walkingtheshadowlands.com\/?p=1666"},"modified":"2024-11-16T11:09:44","modified_gmt":"2024-11-15T22:09:44","slug":"episode-30-the-nimitz-encounters","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.walkingtheshadowlands.com\/?p=1666","title":{"rendered":"Episode 30: The Nimitz Encounters"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1248px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:1.92%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:1.92%;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:1.92%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-image-element \" style=\"--awb-max-width:100%;--awb-caption-title-font-family:var(--h2_typography-font-family);--awb-caption-title-font-weight:var(--h2_typography-font-weight);--awb-caption-title-font-style:var(--h2_typography-font-style);--awb-caption-title-size:var(--h2_typography-font-size);--awb-caption-title-transform:var(--h2_typography-text-transform);--awb-caption-title-line-height:var(--h2_typography-line-height);--awb-caption-title-letter-spacing:var(--h2_typography-letter-spacing);\"><span class=\" fusion-imageframe imageframe-none imageframe-1 hover-type-none\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1286\" height=\"500\" title=\"The Nimitz Encounters &#8211; Part 1\" src=\"https:\/\/www.walkingtheshadowlands.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Screenshot-2024-11-16-at-08.54.34-e1731708435395.png\" alt class=\"img-responsive wp-image-4231\"\/><\/span><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-top:20px;width:100%;\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-bottom:10px;width:100%;\"><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-font-size:30px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left\" style=\"margin:0;font-size:1em;\"><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Episode 30: The Nimitz Encounters<\/strong><\/p><\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;max-width:750px;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single sep-solid\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;border-color:#aacc00;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p>In November 2004, 90 miles South-West off the coast of Mexico near Baja, California, in the USA, the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/USS_Nimitz\">U.S.S. Nimitz<\/a> carrier strike group was conducting two weeks of routine training and aerial defence exercises when unexplained events occurred that forever have altered the lives of the men and women on board these ships who were witness to these episodes. What began as a routine naval training exercise, ended up as one of the world\u2019s best documented UFO sightings in the 21<sup>st<\/sup> century. Witnesses included very highly trained military personal, amongst them very experienced radar operators and fighter pilots. These were men who were in charge of the world\u2019s then, most sophisticated and advanced flight and sensor technology that existed in the world at that time.<\/p>\n<p>A video of part of this incident was \u2018leaked\u2019 to the world and has been the subject of intense speculation since\u2026. Are you ready to walk with me into this part of the Shadowlands and see what we can discover about this event, or rather series of events? Good. Then let\u2019s begin.<\/p>\n<h3><strong>The Nimitz Encounters<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>Over a period of a week a group of unknown, tic-tac shaped objects, including one 45-foot long, that played cat and mouse with the U.S. Navy. Reportedly over this period of time, over the week, more than 100 of these objects were observed. These objects also appeared at an altitude of higher than 80,000 feet with some suddenly dropping to 20,000 feet. Eighty thousand feet is much higher than commercial or even military planes generally fly. This all began on November the tenth, two-thousand and four, in an area of sea ninety miles, south-west of San Diego, California. When the USS Princeton, began tracking strange objects on their AEGIS radar systems, which they called AAV\u2019s short for Anomalous Aerial Vehicles.<\/p>\n<p>Each ship in this exercise had specific tasks that they were commissioned for. The main role of the Princeton was to see to the air defence of the entire strike group. Senior Chief Kevin Day, was the Anti-Air Warfare Coordinator aboard the Princeton. He describes his role as this<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\u201cMy job was to man the radars and ID everything that flew in the skies. And I also had a position called Anti-Air Warfare Coordinator, where if we ever had to go to war, I was the guy that was going to launch the missiles and kill shit. In addition to that I was the air intercept controller. When the super-hornet takes off from the carrier, I\u2019m the guy who takes control and takes them to the fight and gets them home safe.\u201d<sup>1<\/sup><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>He also was an expert on the AEGIS radar system that the Princeton used. This was a man who was well experienced and knew precisely what he was doing and what he was observing on this system, the spy one. His attention was drawn to some anomalous readings, some \u201cWeird tracks\u201d<sup>2<\/sup> that were appearing on the spy one radar screen, appearing in groups of five to ten at a time. He said they were closely spaced to each other at about twenty-eight-thousand feet. He quickly ruled these out as commercial airplanes, because, they weren\u2019t on the commercial flight paths. But he wasn\u2019t overly concerned about them at this stage. They didn\u2019t appear hostile. But over a course of three to four days these tracks continued to appear on radar, causing Kevin Day to become concerned about the safety of his pilots in the air and of the possible air threat to the strike group. The men involved were unable to identify these objects, which was causing some frustration to them all. Due to their concern they recalibrated all their systems thinking it might be a systems malfunction, which is a fair enough supposition. \u00a0However, when the systems were finished being recalibrated, they merely showed the objects off in sharper detail. Using the most advanced systems in the world, at that time, as Kevin Day says<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\u201cWe failed entirely to identify any of these objects.\u201d<sup>3<\/sup><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Finally, on November the 14<sup>th<\/sup>, Kevin Day received the order from the Commander to intercept the objects. Two Hornet pilots received the order to stop their training mission and deploy to new co-ordinates for a \u201creal-world\u201d task, and Kevin sent the the BRA coordinates \u2013 BRA standing for Bearing, Range, Altitude.\u00a0 He also said, \u201cAs soon as he got to the merge point, objects the object dropped from twenty-thousand feet, down to fifty feet above the water in point seven eight seconds!\u201d<sup>4<\/sup> A merge position is where two objects on the radar are in the same position and look like one object.<\/p>\n<p>When the pilots first arrived at the scene. They didn\u2019t see the objects but noticed a disturbance in the water below them.\u00a0 Then they spotted one of the objects flying about fifty feet above the disturbance in the water. Commander Fravor, commanding officer of <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/VFA-41\">Strike Fighter Squadron 41<\/a>, who was lead pilot with more than sixteen years of flying experience,\u00a0 described the object as forty-foot-long, shaped like a tic-tac candy with no obvious means of propulsion.\u00a0 He also said that the movements this object made were very swift and erratic. Similar, he said: \u201c\u2026. to if you threw a Ping-Pong ball against the wall.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>However; the object reacted immediately to the presence of the F-18\u2019s and took off according to one description \u2013 \u201cLike a bullet fired from a gun.\u201d Another pilot dispatched after Commander Fravor landed, was able to capture one of the objects on the now famous tic-tac video from his plane.While this incident was known about pretty widely in the US naval circles, it was not known so widely by the general public. But that all altered in 2017 after an article was written about it in the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2017\/12\/16\/us\/politics\/unidentified-flying-object-navy.html\">New York Times<\/a>, along with an official Air force video of the object taken from the fighter mentioned, showing the object on their screen and then taking off at tremendous speed.<\/p>\n<p>Quoting from the New York Times article:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\u201c\u2026. the operator said, the Princeton had been tracking mysterious aircraft. The objects appeared suddenly at 80,000 feet, and then hurtled toward the sea, eventually stopping at 20,000 feet and hovering. Then they either dropped out of radar range or shot straight back up.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The video of the object went viral, as you can imagine, and was spread all over the net. It was the subject of doubtless, countless conversations amongst those who follow UFO\u2019s and the reporting of these ships. Of course, since then we\u2019ve had the release of others and most recently in late September of the US Forces, formally acknowledging that these UFO are very real indeed. Of course, they don\u2019t say anything other than they are real \u2013 nothing about the intelligent beings that have to operate, or indeed to have created these craft. These next few episodes are all about eyewitness accounts of these objects from men that were actually serving on board the ships at the time of the incidents occurring.<\/p>\n<p>In the official report retrieved under the freedom of information act in the USA, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.walkingtheshadowlands.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/TIC-TAC-UFO-EXECUTIVE-REPORT.pdf\">EXECUTIVE-SUMMARY-REPORT<\/a> of these events, a copy of which is available from this episodes page on the podcast website: www.walkingtheshadowlands.com, has these key assessments:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>The anomalous aerial vehicle was no known aircraft or air vehicle currently in the inventory of United States or any foreign nation.<\/li>\n<li>The anomalous aerial view exhibited advanced low-observable characteristics at multiple radar bands rendering US radar-based engagement capabilities ineffective.<\/li>\n<li>The anomalous aerial vehicle exhibited advanced aerodynamic performance with no visible control services and no visible means to generate lift.<\/li>\n<li>The anomalous aerial vehicle exhibited advanced propulsion capabilities by demonstrating the ability to remain stationary, with little to no variation in altitude, transitioning to horizontal and or vertical velocities far greater than any known aerial vehicle, with little to no visible signature.<\/li>\n<li>The anonymous aerial vehicle possibly demonstrated the ability to cloak or to become invisible to the human eye or human observation.<\/li>\n<li>The anomalous aerial vehicle possibly demonstrated a highly advanced capability to operate undersea, completely undetectable by our most advanced sensors.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div id=\"attachment_419\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-419\" class=\"wp-image-419 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/www.walkingtheshadowlands.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/Gary-Voorhis-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.walkingtheshadowlands.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/Gary-Voorhis-66x66.jpg 66w, https:\/\/www.walkingtheshadowlands.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/Gary-Voorhis-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.walkingtheshadowlands.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/Gary-Voorhis-200x200.jpg 200w, https:\/\/www.walkingtheshadowlands.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/Gary-Voorhis-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.walkingtheshadowlands.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/Gary-Voorhis-400x400.jpg 400w, https:\/\/www.walkingtheshadowlands.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/Gary-Voorhis.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-419\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gary Voorhis<\/p><\/div>\n<p>I am very fortunate to have as my guests two gentlemen, one Patrick Hughes, who was on the USS Nimitz, and one Gary Voorhis who was on the USS Princeton at the time of these incidents. These are their recollections and thoughts about what happened, and their parts in them and finally, their thoughts about them now, given the hindsight of time. To begin with, I am just going to go over the actual experiences with the gentlemen themselves. Then once both have shared their experiences, we will discuss the conclusions that both of them have come up with, with the vision of hindsight and years of thinking and pondering over their experiences.<\/p>\n<p>Firstly though., I would like to welcome my guest <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/gary.voorhis.96\">Gary Voorhis<\/a>.\u00a0 Gary is a former Third Class Petty Officer and Fire Control-man, Gary Voorhis. He worked on the AEGIS computer system, on a CG59, guided missile cruiser. The USS Princeton, CG-59. He was in charge of in charge of CEC [Cooperative Engagement Capability System], data recording and maintaining and operating all the mainframes that ran the system.<\/p>\n<h4><div class=\"fusion-separator fusion-full-width-sep\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-bottom:5px;width:100%;\"><\/div><\/h4>\n<h4><strong>Gary Voorhis<\/strong><\/h4>\n<p><strong>Marianne:<\/strong> First of all, thank you very much Gary for coming and talking to us for this episode. I\u2019m really grateful to you for your time, since I know how very busy you\u2019ve been, especially since the video came out, with both your young family and work, and everyone\u2019s demands on your time.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Gary:<\/strong> <span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>Yeah, I\u2019m blue collar. So I mean, that\u2019s just how it is. You have work, family, stuff like that so I just kind of have to squeeze these in where ever I can.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Yeah. I totally get that.<\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\">Back in 2004. I was a fire control man with, on an Aegis cruiser CG-59 which was the USS Princeton. We were flight guard and aircraft controller for the Nimitz battle group. We were doing a flight guard and air control for the Nimitz at the time. We were basically doing training a training mission. Testing out new systems and we had a new baseline of Aegis and so we had the latest and greatest of the Aegis systems. And we were testing all those new systems out and then we also had CC, which was a new system.\u00a0<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\">CC was kind of an amazing breakthrough with the battle group, because, it allowed us primary\u2026. Its primary duty was to be able to allow us\u2026. It would allow us to basically be able to fire our salvo with other people\u2019s sensor data. So, like say if one of the other ships in the group had a good lock on something, we couldn\u2019t actually see it, CC would allow us to shoot our missiles at their target. So it basically shares all the sensor data, making a three dimensional picture of the entire battle group\u2019s air space.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p>Oh that\u2019s fascinating.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>You don\u2019t get like a\u2026. It\u2019s not like in Star Wars, where you can see the picture the data\u2019s there and we can use the data. And it\u2019s not\u2026. Like a lot of people have this picture in their head, like a consul in the middle and a three dimensional picture coming up and we can see the, oh the UFO\u2019s and stuff like that. But no, it\u2019s a flat screen and we can just access that information as you need it.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>So I was talking about how\u2026. The day of\u2026. The first hint that there was even something going on, we really didn\u2019t take it serious and we\u2026. I woke up that day. I was late. I had a late watch. I woke up early and wasn\u2019t able to go back to sleep, so went up to combat to take a look at these, these\u2026. This clutter and these ah, these ghost tracks as they were calling them, \u2018cause, they didn\u2019t believe they were real, \u2018cause, of how slow they were flying. And I\u2019d looked at the tracks, and I\u2019d seen clutter before, and to me they looked like sharp tracks. Like they were well defined, Gary: rather where clutter instead of having just a nice, well-defined shape to it, you\u2019ll see little splotches. Like when you see tearing on your digital TV, where you see the picture and it kind of tears across. Well, that little tear would look like radar clutter.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\">But now, think of that as green clutter though. That\u2019s the kind of shape and size of clutter. The spy radar\u2019s powerful enough to be able to track the crests of waves if it\u2019s really choppy out. So, a lot of times, that\u2019s the type of stuff we\u2019ll get, that\u2019ll make clutter, but it really wasn\u2019t. It was pretty clear. I mean, we really didn\u2019t have\u2026. I mean I think it was like five foot seas if it was that. Like super calm out. So, I didn\u2019t really think we were tracking white-caps, which is what we call the breaking of the waves. So, in order to try to clear up the clutter, the ghost tracks, we took the systems down as soon as we got Captain\u2019s permission to take \u2018em down.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\">And they recalibrated everything, and we brought them back up. And lo and behold, some of the clutter that was there, was gone. But, the tracks were there. Clear as day. You know, so at that point we knew that they were solid tracks. But we didn\u2019t know what they were. There\u2019s a lot of possibilities of what they could be. You know, we knew they weren\u2019t any type of commercial airline, or anything like that, because, they weren\u2019t using any type of radio communication to let us know who they were. They weren\u2019t using a system called IFF. What we call Identification, Friend or Foe. It\u2019s a system that commercial airlines and military airlines of most modern nations use to identify themselves. It\u2019s basically just a signal that pulses off these aircraft, that will tell you the aircraft name, who they\u2019re affiliated with. And, whatever their tail number is. It\u2019s a way, so you don\u2019t get shot down.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>But all commercial airlines have IFF. All American military airplanes have IFF. Most modern countries do. So it\u2019s something that, we\u2019re just used to seeing it pop up, and with IFF when we\u2019re tracking the object, once IFF kicks in it will automatically label that object. It\u2019ll say, commercial airliner, or it\u2019ll say com one, or com two. So commercial, it\u2019ll just label it a commercial airline. So we\u2019ll know exactly what it is. Now, see these things were going like a hundred knots, which is nothing. I mean most airplane have to get up to two hundred miles and hour <span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\">before they even get off the ground.<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>So, you know, so these things were basically kind of\u2026. Kind of just floating in a southern path. Just really kind of minding their own business, on the edge of the area where we were working our, our mission in. And they didn\u2019t seem hostile or anything. They weren\u2019t coming at our ships or anything like that. They weren\u2019t, you know, interrogating us or anything like that. They were just there. We\u2019d see \u2018em. They\u2019d float into a southernly group and sometimes they\u2019d disappear and sometimes they\u2019d reappear. And for most of the time, for over the week, you know, we were tracking between three and ten of them at a time.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>So like when you see the episode of unidentified, that me and Kevin were on and he\u2019s like \u201cthey\u2019re raining from the sky!\u201d He\u2019s talking like\u2026. He was talking about the whole week. All week they were just coming and going, just raining UFOs. That\u2019s how he meant that. And they just, they loved that sound-bite man.\u00a0<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\">They loved it so much. So it makes it sound like there were hundreds of UFOs coming from the skies, but, he was just very excited about it. You know, we had to go back in a lot of interviews we\u2019ve done together, he\u2019s had to explain that, so it\u2019s one of those things that a lot of people\u2026. I\u2019m just trying to hit the points of the questions I commonly get going through the\u2026.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p>No, this is really awesome Gary, thanks.<\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\">Alright. And then\u2026. So at this point we know the tracks are very slow. We knew that they were real, solid tracks. So we just kept tracking them. I mean this is just\u2026. Montage\u2026. For the next week is just, you know, me smoking, drinking coffee, standing watch, working out, checking combat. You know\u2026. And then some point it dawned on me that I have the relative bearing of these things. And with, you know, we\u2019re not so far away that at least they\u2019ve got lights. I should be able to see them through the big eyes. I\u2019m kind of hoping that like it\u2019s a dirigible or something\u2026. I can see like a tail light or\u2026. You know, most commercial aircraft, most aircraft in general have some type of lighting, so\u2026.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p>Right. Can you please explain for us non-military people what the big eyes actually are?<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>Right! So, big eyes they are like a\u2026. this is a link that I just pulled off google, just real quick, that will show you what the big eyes look like.\u00a0 So I mean these are\u2026.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Oh wow they are big aren\u2019t they?<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>Yeah.\u00a0 When we say big eyes, we\u2019re not kidding. They are basically a massive set of binoculars that are permanently fixed to the bridge-way. \u00a0\u00a0I mean, these things are huge and you can see almost thirty miles with these things, if it\u2019s a nice clear day, or clear night. So now, I was able to actually look. So basically what I would do, is I would go to combat and I\u2019d look at the radar screen and if we had the tracks I would scribble the bearing \u2013 meaning what direction and elevation that I should be looking at. So when I get up to the bridge-way, I\u2019m kind of\u2026. I\u2019m going to be looking at that relative area where it should be. You know, so if we\u2019re in a good spot and I think we\u2019re close enough, I used to go up to the bridge-way and I would look at them. Now, when I would see them\u2026. You\u2019ve got to remember that these were still very far away and they were, they were luminous, so I could see a white, fuzzy dot where it should be via the relative bearing. So I thought, that\u2019s kind of weird. I wonder what the hell this thing is. And so, at night you could really see \u2018em.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>But then, they\u2019d disappear and they\u2019d come back and you\u2019d\u2026. And so, it was pretty\u2026. Pretty amazing, you know? And you know, there wasn\u2019t anything crazy weird going on yet. Just basically these lights in the sky at this point. So. I was still getting a little excited about it. I actually made sure that the data recording was just like\u2026. \u2018Cause, normally on these, like, little training mission\u2019s data recording\u2019s not really that important, so you\u2019re just flipping the tapes, you\u2019re not even changing them. So when this started to happen I started making sure it was a fresh tape, every single time. Like you can record front and back of these tapes. Record the front. Record the back and then, fresh tape. Record the front and you do, you can do up to four at a time, and it just goes from one tape to the next. So I always made sure there was a fresh tape in that loop. And so those tapes were always going for the entire seven days.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s smart thinking.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>Now that records, that records all the spy stuff. That records all the combat information center, your any\u2026. It records ah, anything that goes through the Aegis system, period. And then CC has it\u2019s own, it\u2019s own kind of like system. It\u2019s an enclosed system and it records all its own system stuff. \u2018Cause, it\u2019s almost like\u2026 ah well, it\u2026.\u00a0 It\u2019s, we\u2026. I could just say that it, it doesn\u2019t need tapes. And that\u2019s it. Everything else about that aspect of it is, I am pretty sure, still classified so\u2026.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>But, it doesn\u2019t need tapes. I\u2019m not recording on that stuff, but there is data being recorded \u2013 somewhere. And that\u2019s my roundabout way of saying that there is data from it. So it\u2019s not a loss. So a lot of this data, a lot of the talk back, chats and stuff like that are being recorded on other machinery in the computer room. We have data recording going on, in pretty much every system on this ship. So everything is being recorded at all times. And so it\u2019s just kind of like a hunch, just like that little scratch in the back of your head. Like, maybe I should be recording this?\u00a0 Just in case.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>And well, who knows what they were. For all I know, could have been friggin enemy aircraft chillin\u2019 on the edge of our battle-group? \u00a0\u2018Cause, generally you can\u2019t see past the horizon which is two hundred and fifty-six nautical miles. So, Gary: that\u2019s kind of the limit of your, your\u2026. Where you can see. I mean, sometimes you get radar returns over it, \u2018cause, it bounces off the atmosphere, but generally you don\u2019t. Kind of like skip when you\u2019re doing ham radios.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>Yep, so it\u2019s similar to that. And then ah\u2026. So all of a sudden like I said montage. It\u2019s the same thing for days and days and days. And then one point at the fifth or sixth day I\u2019m like why haven\u2019t we gone and take a look at what these things are? Why are we not interrogating this stuff? What is going on?<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>And I was getting frustrated, you know, because I\u2019m nobody really. I mean, I\u2019m taking care of important systems, you know? However, many million-dollar weapon system, or billion-dollar weapon system, but other than that I\u2019m not that important. I don\u2019t make any decisions or anything. I\u2019m like, just wondering what these\u2026. \u2018Cause, all the upper-chain command, we haven\u2019t heard anything from them. No explanations. No meetings. No briefings about it, it\u2019s almost like they were just kind of like trying to pretend that it like, wasn\u2019t happening. \u00a0Like I think that there was stuff going on in the background.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>Personally, I think. I mean I have no proof of what happened. As I said, I was low rank I don\u2019t\u2026 you know? I\u2019m just giving the general feeling of what like, the junior enlisted were feeling at the time. Even Kevin being, you know he was a Senior Chief, which was\u2026. I mean, there\u2019s only one enlisted rank, oh two higher. And there\u2019s only one Command Master Chief, so\u2026. So there\u2019s really not much higher than a Senior Chief, enlisted wise. So he still didn\u2019t\u2026. They really weren\u2019t talking to him very much either, so\u2026.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>You know, I remember getting dragged down to one of our secure spaces, and I started watching the video of the intercept. I\u2019m like finally! Oh my god, I said. So, I\u2019m watching this thing and you know? At first they\u2019re just floating there, then all of a sudden, they\u2019re just matching moves. They\u2019re moving right angles. They\u2019re moving from point to point. At constant speeds rather than ramping up. And \u2018cause, like any type of vehicle that you use, airplane, car, boat, truck. You know? Planes, trains, automobiles. They all have a certain ramp-up to get to a speed. You know, you can\u2019t from one to one-hundred in the same instant.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\">You know you have to\u2026. Every vehicle we have on this earth, goes one, two, three, all the way up to one-hundred. I mean, we can get there fast in some vehicles, but not like this. This was so fast that it could move from one point to another. It would register in your brain that moved, but you wouldn\u2019t realize how fast it was. Or, that it actually even moved. It would take you a second to realize it had moved.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\">But then you would understand that yes it did move and it was at this type of speed. But then, you\u2019re just like wow! \u2018Cause, there was no ramp up in the speed, there\u2019s just from point A to point B, one speed and that\u2019s it! Sometimes super-fast. Sometimes super-slow. It didn\u2019t really matter. It just seemed like inertia really wasn\u2019t a thing for it. \u2019Cause like, some of the maneuvers it was doing at right angles and stuff like that. Yeah, oh the way that it moved it was just miraculous. I mean, the level of technology\u2026. I got very excited, because, a lot of\u2026. You had all kinds of various reactions. But there was only so many people who could see the video. I mean, you just had to be in the right place at the right time or already knew it was going to happen. Or then of course, you had to have a top-secret clearance, so I mean\u2026. But, it was kind of like, everyone with a top secret clearance was on a computer somewhere watching it.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p>So was this live? While it was actually happening?<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>I was under the impression at the time, that it was live. But now coming back and talking with other people, I have a feeling that it had happened previously that day, but it was within hours of it happening.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>There you were, watching the video with all the crew. \u00a0What sort of impressions were you hearing from the, from the people standing around you?<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>All the people that got to see the video were either really, really quiet or\u2026. And anyway you\u2019ve got to remember, that this was a lot of information to process and anyone who doesn\u2019t have a physics or engineering background, they\u2019re, they\u2019re just looking at this like how is this even possible? You know? They don\u2019t understand that it\u2019s technically not breaking the laws of physics, but it is building upon a new set.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\">Basically\u2026. You know, \u2018cause, there\u2019s a lot of wild theories and especially in quantum mechanics and in theoretical science, there\u2019s a lot of \u2013 you know, stuff I won\u2019t even touch. But people are like, yeah it\u2019s mathematically possible, look. And I go yeah it\u2019s mathematically possible to go back in time, but you don\u2019t see too many people doing that yet.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\">So, like I said before, I\u2019m a sceptical believer, I think that I keep it to the nuts and bolts of things\u2026.The one thing that kind of concerned me about these objects, even though we couldn\u2019t identify them. And, to this day they remain unidentified. As a matter of fact, the US Navy, just came out this last week and basically made us the most credible witnesses in history, because they basically said yes. These are real unidentified aircraft from the US Navy. So you know, that was pretty amazing and vindicating. It\u2019s not just a drunken sea story any more.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p>Yeah, yeah exactly. And it must have felt very vindicating for you guys. To know that\u2026. Because, you knew the reality of what you saw. But, having it officially acknowledged is another thing entirely.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>Now see, the thing is\u2026. I kind of feel like I felt the gravity of it a lot faster, because, I understood the physics behind what they were trying \u2013 what they were doing. \u00a0And I didn\u2019t\u2026. I mean, I\u2019m not saying I understand how it worked. I\u2019m just saying, I\u2019m looking at this. I know physics. I know engineering. I know we don\u2019t have anything that can do that. I know the theories of gravitational propulsion and when ion drives and you know, all these\u2026. At that time, you gotta remember, this was back in two thousand and four. We hadn\u2019t even developed an ion drive then it was still just a concept. And you know, even that is like child\u2019s play compared to the level of engineering and physics it would take to build these crafts.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>But, in the same respect, anything that had that kind of level of tech, I don\u2019t believe they would be seen unless they wanted us to see them. Which kind of lends me to want to figure out why was this so sloppy. You know? Why was it? Why were they\u2026. You know, why were they so, in our face? You know? I mean, \u2018cause, they had to have known we were tracking \u2018em.\u00a0 I mean, they demonstrated later on during the intercept \u2013 This is information I got from Kevin Day. During the intercept, at one point, one of the Tic-tac\u2019s disappeared and actually arrived at what\u2019s called the CAP point. Now the CAP point is basically where all the planes would converge back. Like say, return to the CAP.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #cc00aa;\"><em>So this would be where they would all go back to wait to be assigned another target, or to wait to regroup. It\u2019s like a regroup spot. Right now, it\u2019s top secret. Only the people that are doing the flight control and the pilots are going to know this. And it\u2019s only going to be\u2026. It\u2019s going to be over through encrypted communications that they get these things, so\u2026. And that the level of secrecy about the CAP point is very, very\u2026. It\u2019s a very high level of secrecy. So for these objects to know exactly that position in a three dimensional space, exactly where the CAP point was, is demonstrating the fact that either A: they already knew the entire game plan. Or B: They have the ability to actually, you know, monitor our communications without having to worry about encryption.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. And that\u2019s where we\u2019ll end today&#8217;s episode. Be sure and join us next week for the conclusion of Gary\u2019s Voorhis\u2019 experiences and thoughts, and my conversation with Patrick Hughes. Also don\u2019t miss the interesting conclusion that both men have come to about their experiences with the hindsight of years and much thought about the subject.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-separator\" style=\"align-self: center;margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;margin-bottom:20px;width:100%;max-width:750px;\"><div class=\"fusion-separator-border sep-single sep-solid\" style=\"--awb-height:20px;--awb-amount:20px;border-color:#aacc00;border-top-width:1px;\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><p>And that\u2019s where we\u2019ll end todays episode. Be sure and join us next week for the conclusion of Gary\u2019s Voorhis\u2019 experiences and thoughts, and my conversation with Patrick Hughes. 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