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Episode 34: #10 – The Bentwaters Incident \u2013 A New Perspective<\/strong><\/p><\/h3><\/div>

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In the 1980 in Rendlesham Forest, located in the United Kingdom, between two USA Air Force bases, called Woodbridge, and Bentwaters, on England\u2019s East Coast. Became the focal point of some now very famous and well known UFO incidents. With books having been written about the subject because of it\u2019s very high profile.<\/p>\n

What happened basically was this. Just after midnight on December the twenty-sixth, radar screens picked up and followed an unidentified flying object \u2013 also seen by many military and most likely civilian witnesses as well. The radar followed it as it disappeared into the forest. Soldiers were sent to the spot and one Colonel Halt, recorded a running commentary into a dictation machine as he and the personal looked for the strange light that had landed.<\/p>\n

When they got there they saw a luminous, triangular-shaped ship, about ten feet across and eight feet high. Which was there briefly then flew away. But this wasn\u2019t the only sighting of anomalous lights in the sky in that area. There were several nights of sightings witnessed by many people<\/p>\n

This event garnered media attention world-wide. Not the least because it was between the military bases, and military personal were directly involved in the case. Of course, for many years, the event was covered up. Then some few witnesses started coming forward, speaking to different authors who wrote books about the incident, or researchers fascinated by the incident and because the military were involved, especially suspicious of the cover up, who also wrote books.<\/p>\n

However, these high profile figures who have been public about their experiences were not the only witnesses to the events that took place those nights. There are many service men and women, who also were witnesses, but have observed the military orders to keep their mouths shut.<\/p>\n

Just recently though this is changing, and people are starting to open up about their experiences on those nights, for various reasons, known only to them. My guest this episode is one of them, and he is the reason, I am returning from my break early.<\/p>\n

My guest M. Stacy Smith. Was a Sergeant of the Security Police with a Top Secret military clearance. He has never before spoken in public about his experiences. So I am absolutely thrilled to have been able to be the first person to publicly air his story, although he also speaks about his experiences in a new documentary on the subject coming out later this year.<\/p>\n

I actually came across Stacy quite by accident when I was reading the MUFON Facebook page. He just wrote a couple of lines about how he had seen things at Bentwood and that the incidents were absolutely real. Not more than two or three lines. I knew I had to get in touch with him and hear his story for myself. It took some effort to be able to actually track him down. But ultimately I was able to reach him by phone. And asked his permission if he would be willing to share his story with me, and with you all. He called me back as I only got his answerphone. Stacy doesn\u2019t have a computer, only his cell phone, and is not a well man. I was going to organize a time when we could talk formally about this, especially since it was about two am their time when he phoned me back.<\/p>\n

But actually, he said he sleeps very little these days and would be happy to talk with me. So I got him to phone me back over the internet on his phone, so it wouldn\u2019t be costing him any money. He could not get my Zoom room to work which is what I generally use for interviewing guests. So I did the best we could. I had to record his phone call directly to my computer using my internal mike. So I apologize that the audio quality is not the best. But it is the best we were able to get considering it was literally on the spur of the moment. I was absolutely unprepared. Normally I have a pile of questions for my guests, even if I do not use them. But, as it turns out, it was a really revealing and interesting conversation. I will warn you all now, that there is the use of some language in this conversation that\u2019s not suitable for kids to hear. Well, there it is. So. . .\u00a0 Are you ready to walk into the depths of the shadowlands with me and bring some light onto this topic? Let\u2019s begin. I\u2019m so pleased to introduce my guest Stacy Smith.<\/p>\n

The Bentwaters Incident – A New Perspective<\/strong><\/h3>\n

Marianne: <\/strong>Stacy, I\u2019m so excited to be talking to you, even if it\u2019s like on spur of the moment, about your experiences.<\/p>\n

Stacy: <\/strong>I was there. I wish to God I hadn\u2019t been. . . But. . .<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Maybe Stacy we can start from the beginning. Can you please introduce yourself and tell us your name, and set the scene for us of how you came to be at Rendlesham?<\/p>\n

I got out of high school in 1979. Joined the Air Force, United States Airforce. I did training went to SP [security police] School. I was sent to Bentworth, Woodbridge Air Base in England. In 1980, that\u2019s when I had my first incident.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Right. Before we get onto that Stacy can you please tell us what your position was in the Air Force? What did you do on the Bentwater base? Can you please give me your rank and terminology?<\/p>\n

I was a sergeant, Security Police Officer. in the United States Air Force. I went in, in 1979, July 16th<\/sup>.\u00a0 Went through training, basic training, went to the SP academy. A lot of guys at the SP academy went onto other things, but I had to stay behind. I dunno why but\u2026. It was called Air Base Ground Defence Crew. Anyway I got assigned to, eighty-first tactical fighter wing. Ah, UK. I said where the hell\u2019s UK, is that Utah? I didn\u2019t know. I was an nineteen-year-old kid. \u00a0He said no! United Kingdom. I said oh OK!<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Oh that\u2019s funny.<\/p>\n

I was sent to eighty-first tactical fighter squadron.\u00a0 Anyway, I went through training after I got there, you know? Yeah, had to go through more training. Before we could become certified, as what I call a SP. We could arrest anyone. From a General on down\u2026. I arrested a Lieutenant Colonel one time. He tried to tell me this is my god dammed base. I said yes sir and this my my badge and my gun. You come along with me.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Oh good for you! And as part of your role, what sort of things would you do? Just for those of us who have don\u2019t have any knowledge of the military.<\/p>\n

Ah security police in the military\u2026 we\u2019re the cops who run the base. We can detain, anyone who committed a crime. Anybody. Even if they have authority. Just like our normal police have authority.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Got you!<\/p>\n

We have to get through a lot of training and hell I even jacked up a lieutenant colonel <\/a>\u00a0one time.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Really?<\/p>\n

Yep. He didn\u2019t tell me. [inaudible] No sir! (chuckling)<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

So being security police on the base, obviously had some good points for you.<\/p>\n

Mam. I can\u2019t hear you.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

So being security police on the base, did that have some good points for you?<\/p>\n

Yes<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Oh? Let me just adjust my…. Let me just adjust my microphone a little bit better. Can you hear me better now?<\/p>\n

Yeah, I can hear you. Yeah<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Sorry about that Stacy. Normally before I speak with people I have everything set up and organised. But in our case, because this was just so of spur of the moment, I had nothing organised.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s ok. I\u2019ve been a cop all my life, so it\u2019s alright.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

So Stacy, maybe you can tell us a bit about when you first got to Bentwood? How long had you been at the base, before the incident, this first incident occurred?<\/p>\n

Well, I arrived in 1979, November. Um, I had to go through a lot more training before I could become a previs. SP (security police), that\u2019s what we called us. SPs back then. It took about six months. Some guys took longer, so\u2026. You had to go through a lot more schools and classes.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Right. So I imagine you had some sort of security clearance as well. Would that be right?<\/p>\n

Oh yeah. Yes, Mam. I had a Top Secret. I don\u2019t know why? But um, most of us had Secret. And um, I had a top secret. It took me longer to get my Top Secret. I don\u2019t know why they picked me for it? But, it happened. So, oh well. They had to have SP\u2019s that could go into top secret areas um. . .<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Right. Of course. Right they would have too. That never occurred to me being a civilian, but that would be absolutely right because they need you guys for protection in sensitive areas.<\/p>\n

Yep, and I was in high command. We were on alert one time and they put me in the command centre. We had generals and colonels, and all that going on there. I had to lock up the classified documents, put them in a safe. And I was armed, so they made me. \u00a0Stood there to make sure it\u2019s locked up.\u00a0 So that\u2019s what I did. Yeah.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

And how long had you been on the base before this incident occurred?<\/p>\n

About a year. Um, my first incident. . . My first incident happened in the late November of 1980. I was on a bunker, when our base went on alert. And, they called all the SPI to barracks, and I got posted behind Woodbridge gate, east gate. Hm hmm. And ah, all of a sudden [inaudible] oh well, maybe it won\u2019t. I\u2019m ok. Had my M16 machine gun, had to pee. That\u2019s a doozy. Ooh, I had to pee. But it was cold! Forget that! It was cold as hell. I took my poncho and put it over the right corner of the bunker so the dew wouldn\u2019t fall down, and I was sitting there. I said, I gotta pee! And, so I got up on the bunker and I went out there, \u2018cause, I was bored. I peed off the bunker. And I looked down the fence line, and I saw a orange-reddish, glow in the forest off base.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

I said well, that\u2019s probably somebody you know, walking along our fence line. Looking at our pines and it kept moving. It was coming towards me. Apparently off to the field? And uh, when it got in front of me, well I, back it up. Before it got in front of me I could see that um, I thought it was somebody walking with a lamp. Hmmm I said nope! \u00a0So I called for an SRP team, security response team<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Thank you<\/p>\n

To, they came to me. And, I was in the bunker.\u00a0 And, when it got in front of me, [the ball of light] it stopped. Um I mean, dead stopped! About a few, I reckon about two or three feet off the ground. It was a orange, reddish ball of light. I would say, about a little bit bigger than a baseball. It had a strip down the middle. Like a cat eye. It stayed there, and stayed there \u2018til the team got to me. There was a black staff sergeant, and a white airman first class.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

So when you saw this orange red ball of light so close in front of you. How did you feel? It must have been terrifying?<\/p>\n

Oh I was scared to death. Scared the shit out of me. I was a nineteen-year-old kid. And um, I had an M16 machine gun, with over 500 rounds of ammunition. And Sergeant Ashly, he said; \u201cDid you lock and load that machine gun?\u201d, I said, \u201cYes sir. I did!\u201d Which we weren\u2019t supposed to do. I said, \u201cIf you don\u2019t like it you can wrap my ass up and lead me down.\u201d He said, \u201cHell no! So the airman, he jumped the fence. He told me point blank. He said, \u201dI\u2019m going to go about a hundred yards up, jump the fence and come in from it\u2019s right side and flank it. I said \u201cOk, back you go.\u201d When he came near, you could hear him walking through the woods, and if you\u2019d blinked your eyes, you\u2019d have never seen it leave! It left that fast!<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Right and so did it simply ascend right up and whoosh, it was gone! Just like that? Right. And so once it left, what did your sergeant say? What happened on the base? Was there a debriefing for you all?<\/p>\n

They left. Nope. Nothing was said. I went up and crawled in the back of the hanger – aircraft hanger, which was concrete. And the only reason being was I knew if something came back, it would take out that bunker. So I wasn\u2019t going to be in it.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Understandable! So they basically left you at that post. They\u2026. Then they went off to do whatever they did, and left you there by yourself?<\/p>\n

Yep. Sure did!<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Oh wow! For a nineteen-year-old kid that must have been something pretty awful to deal with I imagine.<\/p>\n

It was bad. Very. I still have dreams. I have things in my head that, I dunno. From the time that I went to the bun, back of the hanger, to the time I got to the barracks \u2013 I do not remember.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

So you have a period of lost time then?<\/p>\n

Yes, Mam.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Wow! Ok, so in your gut, you know that something happened in that period of time, but you just have no recollection of it? Is that correct?<\/p>\n

Yes, Mam.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

How does that make you feel? That must be a bit sca . . .<\/p>\n

I\u2019m scared. I\u2019m, I\u2019m nearly 60 years old, and I\u2019m still scared. I have things in my head\u2026. I don\u2019t know what they are?<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Oh?\u00a0 Ok, I\u2019ll get back to that that in a little bit Stacy.\u00a0 I can just imagine as a nineteen-year-old kid how traumatizing. . .<\/p>\n

Kept quiet for so long.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

What made you decide to come forward now? You haven\u2019t spoken publically about your experiences in all of this time. Why now?<\/p>\n

Well all the other guys are coming forward. A lot have come forward to the family of other SPs. John M. Patterson, and Colonel Holt. Colonel Holt was only there one night. We worked every night. Fuck Carl Holt, pardon my French.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Right, OK, so. . .<\/p>\n

They\u2019re all making money off our incident! They\u2019re writing books and making money. My saying to them is fuck you! Sorry.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

No, no I totally understand that. You feel that they are \u2013 And they are profiteering from a traumatic experience. Something that was a very traumatic experience to you. Yeah.<\/p>\n

Yes, Mam.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Yeah, I totally get that. I understand where you\u2019re coming from. So you lost that time, and then you\u2019re back at your barracks. Life goes on, sort of. I guess you struggle to come to terms with what you\u2019ve seen? Do you have anybody you can talk to about it? Or did they just leave you without any sort of psychological support at all?<\/p>\n

I don\u2019t have nobody, baby. \u00a0Nobody.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

They didn\u2019t provide anybody for you to talk to? No counsellor? No debriefing? Nothing like that?<\/p>\n

Nope!<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Oh wow. That\u2019s totally horrible. Stacy I\u2019m so sorry. That makes me feel really badly for the nineteen-year-old boy that you were. And, it means that you\u2019ve had to carry all this. This extra the whole time. So, I\u2019m so sorry that you\u2019ve been through that essentially alone.<\/p>\n

I had nobody. And I tried to contact the DA but\u2026. Man they\u2026. I contacted my State Senators and all this kind of stuff. And they won\u2019t contact me back.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Oh wow, no body wants to touch it eh? It\u2019s a hot potato.<\/p>\n

Yep, no body wants to touch it. That\u2019s a guess. I\u2019ve had thyroid cancer. I\u2019ve had seven tumours in my thyroid gland and all my doctors say that\u2019s very unusual. They say you usually don\u2019t see that in a man that\u2019s had\u2026. That\u2019s been exposed to radiation.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

I would say so. I was a nurse for over thirty years and worked for some time in an Endo (Endocrine) ward where we treated thyroid cancers, and they aren\u2019t that common. One is rare, but I have never heard of or seen multiple tumours, at once in the thyroid. So I would say that is very rare. So this incident occurred. You had the period of lost time from the time you went into the hanger to the time you returned to your room. Did you the next day, or the days after\u2026. Did you notice anything physical on your body? Like did you have any marks? Did you have any unusual bruising on your body? Or anything like that?<\/p>\n

On my ankles.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

On your ankles?<\/p>\n

Yep. I didn\u2019t realize I was back in the barracks until I was in the shower. I was in the shower. Taking a shower. I was standing there butt naked and all I could say was, did this happen?<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Right. Of course.<\/p>\n

Did this really happen? And yeah, I was a kid!<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Yeah. A nineteen-year-old kid. You were only a kid. And that would be really hard for a mature person to deal with. Let alone a kid. And so you found bruising around your ankles? On your ankles?<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Yep. Still have it.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Oh? So it\u2019s like a permanent mark?<\/p>\n

Yep. It\u2019s still there.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong>So you discovered the bruises and. . .<\/p>\n

People may doubt me, but I don\u2019t care. I don\u2019t give a shit if they doubt me or not. It happened. I saw it. I was with in 30 yards of one object. So I don\u2019t care who doubts me. I saw the one go over east end of the runway. Believe me? It doesn\u2019t matter. I don\u2019t care. It happened.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Good for you<\/p>\n

It happened!<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

I have no doubt in my mind that this happened and that you experienced everything that you have and will share with my listeners. And also, that you\u2019ve suffered ongoing trauma and health issues because of this. No doubt.<\/p>\n

Yes, mam. I\u2019m still suffering from it. But the VA won\u2019t help me so. . .<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

And I\u2019m really sorry to hear that. It sucks! Really sucks. So how long after that first incident was the second one?<\/p>\n

My room-mate he was there. I told him about it. Pat Jopa. He was a Italian. He lived in Rocester, New York. I told him. He\u2019s the only one I told about the first incident. Yeah I was scared. It scared me to death. The hell\u2019s a nineteen-year-old kid supposed to do?<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Yeah exactly.<\/p>\n

The second one was \u2013 I was in the breach with Sergeant Wistensa and Colonel Holt came up there that night, and they said the crafts are back and everybody put their weapons in my truck, in my vehicle. They was going off base and hell, I had enough guns to start a war. And anyway, they went out there that night and I was sitting in the truck and they posted a new guy on the gate, there behind me and he started yelling.\u00a0 \u201cWhat the fuck is that!?! What the fuck is that!?!\u201d<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

And I said\u2026. I got out of the truck and said. \u201cMan, what are you talking about?\u201d And he said, \u201cLook! What the fuck is that?\u201d Those were his exact words. He was pointing back towards Bentwaters and there was a triangular shaped craft. I don\u2019t know what it was. It come across the east end of the runway. It was right about the tree\u2026. The tree line. Excuse me, I\u2019ve got my dog here but\u2026. It went into Rendlesham, into the forest.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

And he went, \u201cMan, what the fuck is that?\u201d I said, \u201cI don\u2019t know!\u201d<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

It made no noise, but you could see it\u2026. In had a\u2026. In the middle, it had a, it was bluish gold, but on the outlines of it, it was a whitish colour. Bright, white light! And if you listen to Colonel Holt\u2019s tape, the air craft is coming in. To him, he says it\u2019s coming in from the South. That was the one we saw, \u2018cause, they were at Cappel Green. Then and that was a strange craft.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

How big do you think it was?<\/p>\n

It wasn\u2019t real big. It wasn\u2019t very big at all. I don\u2019t know. It\u2019s hard to tell at night.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Right. Of course.<\/p>\n

Yeah and they left. Three of them. They went straight up!<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

So there were three craft in total? I\u2019m sorry, I\u2019m not sure I heard you correctly.<\/p>\n

Yes. Hm hmmm<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

So there were three ships, and not just the one you guys saw initially?<\/p>\n

Three that I know of. Three.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Wow! Oh, I didn\u2019t know that.<\/p>\n

There were three. If you had not looked up. If you blinked. You would not have seen them leave. Straight up. And we got a debriefed afterwards and we were called down to the Sixty-Seventh Air Sea Rescue Squadron pads, and they even called the guys down out of his tower, \u2018cause, I was there. And I didn\u2019t say shit. But I was listening to the guys in the tower. They said \u201cWhat the hell was that? Man that thing went from one thousand to ninety, off our screens in like four seconds!\u201d <\/em><\/span>From what I understand, is even Heathrow and a lot of bases had \u2018em [on their radar]. I don\u2019t know that for a fact, but I don\u2019t give a shit what anybody says. We\u2019ve got a lot of guys coming forward now.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Right! So was that the end of the incidents at Bentwaters? One actually landed didn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n

I dunno. I wasn\u2019t there involved with that.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Oh right.<\/p>\n

I wasn\u2019t involved with that part.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Right! So these are the ones you did see. So after they debriefed you all, what did they tell you?<\/p>\n

Keep our fucking mouths shut. This is classified. We were all under security clearances. That time, I had Top Secret. Some had Secret code. If we had talked about it, our clearance would have been gone!<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Absolutely they would have. So they\u2026. And they provided no counselling for you after that one either I imagine?<\/p>\n

Nope! No. They\u2026.\u00a0 I was working Woodbridge one day, on that\u2026. There\u2019s a relay station from Bentwood to Woodbridge. It\u2019s two bases.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

So after this last incident and your debriefing. How long were you on that particular base for?<\/p>\n

Two years.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

And, nothing further happened after that?<\/p>\n

Well, before nineteen-ninety-three, November. A lieutenant was going between Woodbridge and Bentwood and she rolled her jeep. She said an orange \u2013 reddish ball come in front of her and she swerved to miss it. And she shot at it. It was the same thing I seen.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

That\u2019s what it sounds like doesn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n

They flew her off the base quick!<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Whoa, that sounds interesting.<\/p>\n

Yeah, because she shot. She fired her gun. M16. I know. It was right at the end of the runway. Going to Woodbridge. So, I ain\u2019t going to say her name. Who she is. I had to come for her weapon that night. And, anyway. It\u2019s ok.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

So let\u2019s talk about about your period of missing time and the downloaded information that you were obviously given Stacy, if that is ok with you?<\/p>\n

Yes, Mam.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Thank you Stacy. Are these things in your head technical information, or diagrams, stuff like that?<\/p>\n

Mathematics. Put it that way.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Mathematical equations?<\/p>\n

Maths, yep.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Have you written any of these equations down?<\/p>\n

Yes, Mam. I sure have and I\u2019ve shown to one of my\u2026. To on of my friends, who\u2026. He told me to never write it down again. And walk away. I don\u2019t know what it was.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

How did that make you feel when he gave you that advice?<\/p>\n

He asked me where did you get that? I said I don\u2019t know it was just given to me and he said do you know what that is? And I said no!<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Did he say what it was?<\/p>\n

No.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Oh that\u2019s interesting.<\/p>\n

He wouldn\u2019t tell me.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

That\u2019s interesting. When you get these Mathematical equations Stacy, how often do they come to you? Are they like, ah \u2026. Are they just suddenly there in your head, and you have to write them down?<\/p>\n

Aw they\u2019ve been there<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

The whole time?<\/p>\n

Yep. And I don\u2019t know what they are. I\u2019m no maths person, believe me.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Thank you so much for sharing this much with my listeners Stacy. You obviously have ethics,<\/p>\n

Yes, Mam.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Because it\u2019s taken you this long to come public and speak out about what you experienced. It\u2019s a long time to carry such a burden and not be able to speak of it to anybody. And kudos to you for keeping your word. It would have taken a lot of integrity, and a sense of self-preservation, no doubt to not tell anybody.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s right. Sweared it. And I\u2019m a man of my oath. Sorry<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

No. No. Don\u2019t apologize, because that\u2019s really great that you are. So how long after these incidents did your health start to decline?<\/p>\n

Nineteen-ninety-eight when I got thyroid cancer. That was eighteen, twenty years after I saw that object. So\u2026. In the first of the week they, my doc told me I had a [inaudible] so they sent me to a specialist. He took a biopsy. Stuck a needle in my throat drew out fluid. Next day sent me to another one and a sonogram. By Friday, I was in surgery. <\/em><\/span>They cut my thyroid out. \u2018Cept for a little bitty piece. And he told me I had seven tumours. In my thyroid glands. He said we don\u2019t usually see this that often. He said, we usually only see this when someone, has been\u2026. Has been exposed to a high dose of radiation. And I have bad Migraines<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

That\u2019s really fascinating. So you feel this is a direct correlation to your first experience?<\/p>\n

Yes, Mam. Now they found out I got a blood disorder.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Oh wow\u2026. Is the blood disorder also linked to the radiation?<\/p>\n

I swear to God I think so. I can\u2019t prove it. Excuse me, I\u2019m yawning.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Oh that\u2019s alright Stacy. I realize it\u2019s really early in the morning where you are, and this was a spur of the moment interview. So I won\u2019t keep you too much longer.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong>It\u2019s OK, we can talk.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

How did you get involved with this documentary that is coming out sometime this year called Capel Green?<\/p>\n

They asked me for an interview and I said ok. So they came to my house\u2026. Big, bright lights\u2026.Shined in my face. \u00a0And they asked me questions, and I answered \u2018em. I told \u2018em the truth. Anyway, they interviewed me and I still talked to Dion, the producer. Yeah he [inaudible] from London, England. I wish I\u2019d never seen none of it.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Yeah. I can understand that, and I can understand how\u2026. I mean you were only nineteen, just a kid. Just a kid. How could you possibly? How could they possibly expect you and your mates, who were probably around the same age, to have the emotional maturity to deal with this without any sort of support? And you know? Even mature adults would have trouble dealing with that. So how could a kid, who\u2019s away from home, family, support structure, be expected to cope? Honestly, it just breaks my heart to hear that, honestly Stacy, it just makes me feel so, so bad for that kid you were.<\/p>\n

I dunno. Maybe [inaudible] fight and give up.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Well. You\u2019re obviously a fighter, because, you haven\u2019t given up! After all these years, you\u2019re still fighting. And that\u2019s got to be a good thing.<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/sup><\/strong>Yes, Mam<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

And the fact that you\u2019re talking out now, for the first time in a public media, speaks volumes about your integrity. And you know it really is just the right time to put this out there. And, I\u2019m really, really grateful to you, Stacy, for taking the time to talk to me and my audience. And, I know that my listeners are going to get a lot out of what you said. I know I have some listeners, particularly in Britain \u2013 hello Duncan, who when I told them I was trying to track you down, and see if you would talk with they were pretty excited about this. Because they have a fascination with the\u2026. With the whole Rendlesham Forest affair. And to have someone who witnessed parts of it and who has never spoken in a public media before about, it\u2019s pretty awesome.<\/p>\n

Tracking me down? I wish I had another woman that would do that.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Stacy, for me, it\u2019s an honour to have spoken with you. And I know my listeners are going to get a lot out of this conversation as well. So formally I would like to close our interview, and say thank you so very much for taking the time \u2013 especially on the spur of the moment as it was, to share your amazing story, your experiences, and journey with us all. I am so very grateful to you Stacy. And I really, really appreciate the fact, that you\u2019ve honoured your commitment for all these years, at great cost to yourself. I want to acknowledge that. And I\u2019m really grateful that you\u2019re sharing that with us Stacy. So thank you so much.<\/p>\n

Thank you for caring. That\u2019s all I want<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

It upsets me to see good, honest people like you, who\u2019ve had their whole life affected by an incident. Didn\u2019t get any help. No support. No nothing. That just makes me so angry. So angry. And I will put this comment in our interview. Because your government should be helping you and the others like you who are suffering now because of no fault of your own, just doing your active duty. It\u2019s so wrong. \u00a0Anyway Stacy. Thank you so very much for your time, and for letting me speak to you so early in your morning.<\/p>\n

Thank you. Bye.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>

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So that was my conversation with Stacy. A conversation, that really touched me on a number of levels. I found Stacy to be such an honest, and humble man, who is fighting a number of serious illnesses more than likely directly connected with this incident he was involved with at Bentwood, when he was just a kid of nineteen years old.<\/p>\n

It really distresses me, that this lovely gentleman, who has a wonderful sense of humour, and doubtless many more like him, have basically been deserted by the government they worked for, on active duty. This to me is totally morally unacceptable. I know things work differently in the states than they do, well, in most of the rest of the world. But surely there must be something that can be done to help people like Stacy. To at the very least, try and improve the quality of their lives.<\/p>\n

For Stacy to come forward now, and speak publicly about his experiences is to me, very telling of the changing times and attitudes also towards the subject of UFOs, Star People and everything else that goes along with this. So, for at least the first episodes in this our second season of Walking the Shadowlands, I\u2019ll be covering these topics with other guests, and sharing some of my own personal experiences as well. In fact, next week\u2019s episode, which originally was going to be the first in the new season, before Stacy popped up on my radar, is about the Men-in-Black \u2026. No. Not that famous movie that spawned a number of sequels, I\u2019m talking the real thing that these movies took their inspiration from. So be sure and tune in for that episode.<\/p>\n

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